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(#ghroc5q) @movq People just don't ask these questions. It's really a serious privacy issue, and I don't see it brought up very often. Not even in privacy-minded circles. If you're using a proprietary operating system on any Internet-connected device, you need to assume that the vendor can see everything you do on it and maybe even what you do on other devices as well..

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(#ghroc5q) Actually, it looks like notifications using Google's service *can* be encrypted end-to-end. I don't know if this is used much in practice or if you can tell if the notifications on *your* device are encrypted. There seems to be some conflicting information out there. Even if the content is encrypted, though, you're still giving quite a bit of metadata to Google by using their notification service.

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(#ghroc5q) @movq I haven't done any app development, but I know notifications on phones are indeed dependent on cloud services run by the OS vendor which talk to servers run by the app vendor on your behalf. This is supposedly better on battery life, but it conveniently lets your OS vendor read all your notifications. Mobile XMPP clients usually implement notifications using XEP-0537 and it goes like this: ``` Your XMPP server -> Client vendor's notification server -> Client OS notification server -> User's device ``` It's not end-to-end encrypted so servers will usually just send a dummy message through (You received a message from juliet@capulet.lit!) so you have to open the app to see the (hopefully) encrypted message. It's a similar flow on both iOS and Android and I assume Matrix clients work the same way.

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