(#7625tqq) @prologic @xuu @antonio I've also heard good things about Threema, but it's paid and, like Signal, requires the installation of the smartphone app (AGPL) to use. Unlike Signal, to my knowledge, you need access to and an internet connection on that phone when using their web client.

Choosing Matrix/Element as a messenger for my family was a mistake. It’s way too complicated. And apparently, the app on smartphones is pretty confusing: Family members repeatedly end up in the settings dialog for the chat room? Since modern UIs are all utter garbage (Which UI elements can be clicked/activated? Nobody knows! Everything is flat!), they have a hard time leaving that dialog, so they call me. And then all the crypto stuff, that no normal user ever understands, and trusted devices, and … oh, fuck off man. I just want a chat.

(#7625tqq) @prologic @antonio @xuu Personally, I don't trust smartphones not to give information to companies interested in that sort of thing. Most code they run is proprietary, so it's difficult to know. Monitoring network traffic only goes so far. Better to avoid the suspicious proprietary software altogether if you can, in my opinion.

(#7625tqq) @xuu @prologic @antonio Session is definitely not well polished. People I know have had issues with messages syncing between devices. Plus, the only client I've been able to find is the official Electron one. I would probably be using Signal if it didn't require the use of a tracking device (smartphone) or a phone number.