@antonio @xuu (#7625tqq) Yeah I tried session, but didn’t really like it much. it’s not as well polished as Signal 😥

(#7625tqq) To be honest with you, I don't _really_ like Matrix at all. I _think_ they made some fatal mistakes in their design, architecture and user experience IHMO. I _agree_ with you, the UI is utter garbage. Worse yet is their "server implementation", it's actually quite hard to get up and running to the point where I couldn't even be bothered spending the time. For my family/friends I just recommend Signal 👌

(#7625tqq) @antonio @mckinley @prologic i did use Wireapp for a little bit. it is pretty polished and doesnt rely on phone numbers for connecting. The ownership had some shady changes but im not sure it ever led to issues in the security model.

(#7625tqq) @xuu @prologic @antonio Session is definitely not well polished. People I know have had issues with messages syncing between devices. Plus, the only client I've been able to find is the official Electron one. I would probably be using Signal if it didn't require the use of a tracking device (smartphone) or a phone number.

(#7625tqq) @movq @prologic I read somewhere that Signal is considering removing the phone number requirement. Hopefully this will be a option for you soon. I also wish Matrix has easier for normal users. To setup the server I used Yunohost and it was really easy, even with federation.

@antonio @movq @prologic (#7625tqq) Yeah, I got Synapse running and federating, but it was a bit tricky with my reverse proxy set-up. It isn't public, though, and I couldn't imagine my family using it or Element! Tech support nightmare! @xuu mentioned Session, which does look promising (minus the crypto-currency eco disaster).

@xuu @mckinley @prologic (#7625tqq) yeah that makes sense. I personally use smartphones but I can see your point. Right now I don't have a way around it, specially after I became a smartphone app developer. 😱

@antonio @mckinley @xuu (#7625tqq) Wireapp eh? I’ll check it out 👌

@prologic (#7625tqq) Funny thing is, it was pretty easy to get the Matrix server (Synapse) going on my OpenBSD box: Install a package, run one initialization command, maybe edit the generated config, put a reverse proxy in front of it, done. (Granted, I don’t use federation, maybe that’s harder.) // As for Signal: They say you have to install it on a smartphone before you can use it on a desktop machine. So, what, my account is tied to my phone number? If that’s true, then I won’t use it. Or maybe *only* for our family chat room. I simply don’t want to run around with my phone number stapled to my forehead. >

@mckinley @xuu @antonio (#7625tqq) I feel that Signal is still the best choice right now for a number of reasons. open source, audited, run by a not-for-profit and there are rumors of them relaxing the requirement for phone number as “username”.